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Messaggio  Patrizio Gio Ago 28, 2008 9:30 pm

nn vi sembras k la wizard esageri con questa notizia ??
e dove va a finire "il pentagono" ?????
questi delirano ( direbbe admin) clown
e poi kome fungerebbe questo fantomatiko viola ??
sapete dirmi qualkosa di + ?
grazie
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The Color Purple

Invoke_the_Firemind The letter I!n a reality not far from the one we live in, a player slowly opens his first pack of Planar Chaos, savoring the anticipation of seeing an entirely new set. His eyes hungrily devour the first few commons, appreciating the art, the ability, the power and toughness before moving on to the next. He's sliding the third card downward to reveal what's underneath, when suddenly he stops, taken aback. The color of the next card isn't white, or green, blue, red, or even black, it's…

Purple?

Flash back nineteen months. The Planar Chaos design team of Bill Rose, Mark Rosewater, Matt Place and myself were sitting in a room, and the first order of business was figuring out what "alternate reality" means to Magic. As is always true at the inception of a set, these were exciting times - no suggestion was off limits, no matter how crazy, and at the end of the meeting we had a list of potential directions we could take.

Since there's no better source than the actual emails, I'll be quoting them liberally throughout this article (in the cases where we need to reserve an idea for the future, the text will be replaced with bracketed italics summarizing it). Here's an abridged version of the meeting notes that Bill distributed after the meeting:

A sixth color. Do we want to continue exploring this option?

"Color fixed" cards, of course, ended up being the timeshifted cards of the set (although White Memory Lapse was a development casualty), and they do a fantastic job of conveying alternate reality to players who've been around long enough to see the originals. Color reflections didn't end up making it, presumably because they've been in the game since Alpha, and hence didn't actually convey a message of alternate reality. Choosing your own reality was the idea that modal and X spells allow you to choose a reality by giving you multiple modes to choose from. This was rather tenuous, but it did lead to the inclusion of the charm cycle and the mono-red split cards.
Krosan Beast

Duality was the idea that one card could represent two realities through the use of a trigger condition. Krosan Beast is a good example of this, with its transformation from a lowly 1/1 Squirrel into a massive 8/8 Beast, and the hatching of Rukh Egg is another. Cute, but it didn't represent two realities so much as a change within a single reality, and it wasn't quite what we were looking for.

"Legends with radical shift" is likely referring to the idea of having two copies of the same legend in the set, but with different subtitles and depicted in two different realities. So for a rough example, there'd be a red legend named "Kandor, the Warrior," but then there'd also be a white legend named "Kandor, the Farmer," and the art would depict the same person, with the idea being that we're representing two different potential paths that his life could have taken. This was sort of clever but was eventually deemed too subtle.

And then there were three innocent little words: "A sixth color." In my mind, the answer to "Do we want to continue exploring this option?" was obvious. In fact, the more I thought about it, the more excited I became. What better (and more obvious) way to convey alternate reality than to add an entire new color? No matter if you'd been playing Magic for three months or ten years, all it would take was a single card and you'd know that something crazy was afoot.

Plus, doing the sixth color in a set like Planar Chaos had the advantage of giving us the perfect excuse to stop immediately afterwards. One of the major drawbacks to doing a sixth color is that we fear that we'll be committed afterwards, because players will have decks based around that color and won't be thrilled by the idea that they won't be receiving any new cards any time soon. But this was the perfect opportunity to do it for just a single set, because once you left alternate reality and returned to normalcy, Magic would clearly be back to five colors again.

So I started thinking incessantly about the sixth color, and eventually created the following handout and sent it around to the team. It's a bit long, but hopefully a worthwhile read:
Ways to do a 6th Color

I think we need to play it straight. It's an alternate reality so we should pretend we've been doing this color for a while and it's exactly the same as any of the other ones. This means:

# Equal number of cards in the set

# Mana works the same way

This works well with the alternate reality theme, since we're pretending this color existed since the beginning, of course it would have its own major mechanics.

For example:

From black - discard
From blue - countermagic
From white - lifegain
From red - haste
From green - trample

And then we don't make any cards in those colors with those abilities. So we don't end up making any cards that we'll regret (nothing outside of our normal color pie) and we get some weird colors that people aren't used to but will still feel right.

5. Some combination of 2 through 4.

Could take pieces of the pie from other colors but fill it out with time-based cards, or fill it out with minor abilities like -0/-X.

The sixth color, as the most compelling direction to explore, quickly became our main focus. We settled on it being purple and decided that we could distribute lands by adding one as a sixteenth card to each pack. This was a deviation from the stated goal of pretending that there'd been six colors since the beginning, but it was inevitable because we needed a way to get the lands out to the casual crowd. In Limited drafts and tournaments, you would be able to take as many of the basic land as you wanted (and presumably we would send them out to TOs). Here was my email from the end of the day after we discussed the handout:


Direct enemies:

W and B (a plus)
U and R
P and G

We can change up the packaging to have all six colors, which will certainly catch people's eye when they see it in a store. Obviously we can't change the card back.

Cool, this is exciting space to explore. Smile

Now that we'd decided to try purple, the first order of business was, as always, making the cards. Obviously, the color had a huge inherent disadvantage, both in Limited (where it only existed in 1 out of the 3 packs) and Constructed (where it would have fewer cards than the other colors and no dual lands), so we looked at this as a chance to print and/or reprint powerful cards that would excite people and give them a reason to try it out. This led to the following email:

Mana Drain

Off the top of my head though here are some cards that are "too powerful to bring back" that might be exciting to reprint in purple, along with what it would mean for the color's section of the pie:

Mana Drain (countermagic)
Fireblast (direct damage)
Hymn to Tourach (discard)
Rancor (trample and creature pump?)
Land Tax (taxing)
Land Grant (land search)
Sylvan Library (deck manipulation)
Dark Ritual (fast mana)
The cards that really help to define the color, like the first three, seem better because their inclusion makes a lot of other cards make sense. If you include Fireblast the color should probably have three more direct damage cards and players start to get a sense of what purple is. But if you include Dark Ritual there might be not room for any more fast mana in the same set.

That said the other ones still seem like potential candidates.

Looking back, it would have made perfect sense to still have the timeshifted cards, but with some shifting into purple. Cards like Mana Drain and Sylvan Library would have fit perfectly. At this point, however, we had no idea that Planar Chaos would have a timeshifted subset, so these were just normal (albeit purple) cards in the set.

Although the team was far from convinced that purple was the right call, everyone was at least on board with giving it a try, so plans were set in motion for a set to be created and a draft to occur.
Here's my plan for experimenting with purple -
1. We design purple 10 commons, 6 uncommons, and 10 rares. Purple fits into the color wheel between Blue and Black - wuPbrg. Let's start with Paul's suggestion that Purple has discard (Hymn to Tourach) and countering (Mana Drain).
2. For this test the rest of Crackle - 10 commons, 6 uncommons, and 10 rares per color plus 4 uncommon artifacts - get created from Kamigawa block and Onslaught block cards. Purple should clearly be the strongest color.
3. Then we draft the test Crackle and 8th Edition to test Purple's effect on draft.

Gelectrode Over the next few design meetings we hammered out the core essence of purple. Discard was quickly thrown out and replaced with direct damage, mainly to keep purple from playing like a traditional blue-black control deck (ironically, this made it play somewhat like blue-red, the two colors that mix to create purple, but this was a coincidence). We also gave it two unique creature mechanics and hit upon the idea of making the 11th common slot always be purple. This would hardly be noticeable but would increase the number of purple cards in each draft significantly.

From: Rose, Bill
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2005 9:48 AM
To: Rosewater, Mark; Sottosanti, Paul; Place, Matt
Subject: Crackle Update

Purple gets:
Countering - better than Blue. Only Blue gets X counterspells and Force Spikes.
Direct Damage - second to Red
Anti-Enchantment - worse than White or Green

Purple is between Blue and Black - enemy of Green. Its basic land is City.

The set distribution of purple is 1/6th the set. (Equal to the other five colors.)
The booster distribution of purple is 1/6th the rares, 1/6th the uncommons, 1/6th 10 of 11 common slots, and 100% purple in the 11th common slot. In a typical booster draft, there will be 26 or 27 purple cards (from the Crackle boosters) and 18 or 19 cards of each other color.

When we tried our first playtest, we quickly realized we hadn't yet made purple contribute enough in Limited. Plus, with only countermagic, direct damage, and enchantment kill, purple didn't quite have enough to do (and it was the best at only one of the three). So we headed back to the drawing board:

From: Sottosanti, Paul
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:34 PM
To: Rose, Bill; Rosewater, Mark; Place, Matt
Subject: Purple

I've been thinking about how to make purple's spells more attractive for the next playtest. What I came up with is that purple takes one spell effect from each of the other non-green colors:
from white - enchantment removal (worse than white)
from red - direct damage (worse than red)
from blue - countermagic (exclusive)
from black - edicting (exclusive)

If purple had been around from the beginning, it would definitely have at least one exclusive ability, so blue doesn't get any countermagic at all in this set. Purple also takes edicting from black, and then dabbles in enchantment removal and direct damage.

One mana Remove Soul at common is very exciting for limited, and PP Mana Drain at rare is the same for constructed. The uncommon counterspell (two options below) is also very good for limited. The other spells are almost all playable in the maindeck and for the most part are quite strong.

CP1 - 1P - 2/1 [new mechanic A] (a two mana purple card is tough to play in limited, so I think it should be good)
CP2 - 2P - 3/1 First Strike
CP3 - 2P - 2/2 [new mechanic B]
CP4 - 3P - 2/2 Flying, [new mechanic B]
CP5 - 4P - 4/3 [new mechanic B]
CP6 - 5P - 4/6 Trample
CP7 - P - Instant - Remove Soul
CP8 - 1P - Instant - Choose one: counter target green spell, or destroy target green permanent, or destroy target forest (this would be a cycle of six, so it needs to be different from the existing R/U blasts)
CP9 - 2P - Sorcery - Deal 3 damage to target creature or player.
CP10 - 3P - Sorcery - Target player sacrifices a creature and an enchantment.
UP1 - 3P - 1/2 1P, T: Deal X damage to target creature, where X is the number of cities you control.
UP2 - 2P - 3/1 Forestwalk (green gets citywalker)
UP3 - 3PP - 3/3 Flying, [new mechanic A]
UP4a - 3P - Instant - Counter target spell and deal 2 damage to target creature.
or UP4b - XP - Instant - Counter target spell unless its controller pays X; or deal X damage to target creature.
UP5 - 4PP - Sorcery - Deal 6 damage to target creature or player.
UP6 - 2P - Enchantment - Creatures you control gain [new mechanic B].
UP7 - 1P - Sorcery - Destroy target enchantment. Deal damage to controller equal to CMC.
RP1 - 1PP - 3/2 First Strike, [new mechanic A]
RP2 - PP - 2/2 Sacrifice CARDNAME: counter target spell unless controller pays 1.
RP3 - 2PP - 2/2 When this comes into play, target player sacrifices a creature.
RP9 - 2PP - Sorcery - Deal 4 damage to each tapped creature.
RP10 - PP - Instant - Mana Drain

An exciting bunch of cards, especially for Limited (you'll have to believe me when I say that the new mechanics were quite strong). We ran a draft with a cardset similar to this, and while I had tons of fun switching into purple in the last pack, other people weren't as sure. They had been told upfront that we were testing out a sixth color, and they expressed some amount of sadness when it wasn't as unique as they'd hoped it would be. Understandable, but my theory was that we had just advertised it incorrectly, which led to what would be my final email on the subject. Here's an excerpt:

Transguild Courier
From: Sottosanti, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:45 PM
To: Rosewater, Mark; Rose, Bill; Place, Matt
Subject: alternate reality + objections to purple

I've been thinking about purple and people's objections to it, which are mainly that people have been expecting a sixth color for a long time and they'll be really disappointed if it comes out and it doesn't have anything that's totally new or exciting about it.

I do think that's a concern, and I share it, but I think it's the wrong way to think about it.

I feel like for Crackle to be successful we need to really sell the idea of alternate reality, and I think that by far our most powerful way to do that is the sixth color. We can have six colors on the packaging, and maybe (if we can get Brand to agree) an alternate Magic: The Gathering logo as well, at least on the booster flow wrap if not the display. We would also need our marketing messages to be all about alternate reality, and not hype the sixth color at all, because that's been a part of Magic forever in this world. That way players don't come in thinking, "Oooh, there's a sixth color, I've been waiting for this forever, how does it work?" but they come in with "Huh alternate reality Magic, what exactly does that mean?" and we answer with a changed Magic experience.

All of our other methods for showing alternate reality so far are well and good (and we should do them), but at the end of day if we really want to sell that message and make the set cool I feel like purple is the way to go.

However, momentum continued to drift away from purple, and it soon became clear that it wasn't going to happen. Though part of me wanted to keep pushing, I soon realized that both Bill and Mark had individually decided that it wasn't a good idea, and as a designer you simply have to know when to quit and move on. There was still plenty of fun to be had with Planar Chaos design, from the playtests where every card was a reprint in a new color to the many offsites at Mark's house where we lounged around, browsing through Magic Encyclopedias and throwing out idea after idea about cards that would be exciting to bring back in a new color. Check out Mark's article today to hear more about that process.
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Messaggio  volrath Ven Ago 29, 2008 10:23 pm

i'm arrabbiato whit tou because the text is on english lenguage
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Messaggio  manpi Lun Set 01, 2008 6:39 pm

davvare brutto Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
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Messaggio  •¬Rosdill†~™ Mar Set 02, 2008 12:55 am

a me sarebbe piaciuto!!!
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Messaggio  volrath Gio Set 04, 2008 8:22 pm

la risposta di prima nn l´ho scritta io...
cmq penso che nn esca e se dv uscire 1 nuovo colore sia qll giallo(mi hanno detto ke korrisponde al deserto... lol! afro )
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Messaggio  •¬Rosdill†~™ Gio Set 04, 2008 8:27 pm

chi sa da chi l'hai sentito... Rolling Eyes lol! lol! lol!
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Messaggio  Admin Lun Set 08, 2008 10:52 pm

No,se uscirà un nuovo colore sarà il viola cioè città.
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Messaggio  Patrizio Gio Set 25, 2008 5:00 pm

si kome no kome diceva er bugia !!!!!!
ihihihih k usciva il giallo !!!!!!!!
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Messaggio  volrath Dom Set 28, 2008 1:42 am

io ero a conoscenza del giallo-marrone ovvero citta o terra ma del viola nn ne so nulla cmq nn mi piacerebbe come colore gia ce ne sono molti ci mettiamo anke il viola fanno 6 affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid
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Messaggio  Patrizio Dom Set 28, 2008 2:35 pm

e il nostro amato pentagono k fine fa ???? ..stai bestemmiando volrath!
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Messaggio  •¬Rosdill†~™ Dom Set 28, 2008 9:59 pm

io spero che lo facciano...ciaoooo!!!!...sti cavoli del pentagono...
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Messaggio  Admin Dom Set 28, 2008 10:14 pm

La wizard ha detto che l'idea è stata abbandonata.
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Messaggio  •¬Rosdill†~™ Dom Set 28, 2008 10:38 pm

mannaggia....kissa se in futuro faranno nuovi colori...
cmq...secondo voi quanto camperà ankora magic???
secondo me per mooolto tempo...c'è gente che ci passa la vita e nn gli interessano i soldi!!!!!
fatemi sapere ciao!
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Messaggio  Patrizio Lun Set 29, 2008 8:02 pm

conosco padri di fasmiglia k kollezzionano 4x di tt la p9.....ti tt l epeggio karte.........
credo k magic è grazie a questi tipoi k va avanti !!!
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